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  Undue Influence

  by Lee Elder in

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  this is what "undue influence" looks like.

  it's how you train someone to abandon their children, become a martyr, and drink the kool-aid.

  watchtower november 15, 2013. p.19, para.

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  This is what "undue influence" looks like. It's how you train someone to abandon their children, become a martyr, and drink the Kool-Aid. Watchtower November 15, 2013. P.19, para. 17.
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  Relative rates of mental illness

  by Doug Mason in

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  a report produced 50 years ago by a psychiatrist at a west australian mental health facility ("asylum"l reported that the mental illness rate among jws was 3 times the norm of society.

  other similar studies at the time concluded the rate was much higher.. i wrote to the psychiatrist at the time, asking whether the wts attracted people who were already susceptible to mental illness or if the situation was created after the person became a jw.

  he responded that they did not know.. being myopically focused on the wts at the time, but more importantly belonging to an alternative eschatological apocalyptic body at the time, i did not think more broadly.. i think that today i would like to know:.

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  Very complex questions.
  
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  Sarah Huckabee Sanders Kicked Out Of Restaurant For Supporting Trump

  by minimus in

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  i think it’s ridiculous to kick people and families out of a restaurant because of politics.

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  Pretty sure that partisan spin doctors are not a protected class.
  
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  Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

  by Sugar Shane in

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  here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

  his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

  he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

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  The extreme right wing of the Republican party love this nonsense. They, of course, are racists and in many cases Fascists. "Very good people" in Trump's dystopian world.
  
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  Do You Think President Trump Is Doing a Good Job?

  by minimus in

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  i think he is.

  if you don’t want to put reasons for your yes or no, it’s ok. .

  your vote,please?

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  Lee Elder

  Comedians adore him. Endless material.
  
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  JW Mother Rejected for taking Blood

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a jehovah's witness mother was rejected for accepting blood to save her life.

  this is the so called "pastoral care" given by watchtower leaders when a member violates official policy.

  while the exact circumstances surrounding this particular case are not known, its bears noting that these so called "bloodless surgery" centers are often staffed and managed by active jehovah's witnesses.

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  Good for you! Please tell us how the story ends.
  
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  JW Mother Rejected for taking Blood

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a jehovah's witness mother was rejected for accepting blood to save her life.

  this is the so called "pastoral care" given by watchtower leaders when a member violates official policy.

  while the exact circumstances surrounding this particular case are not known, its bears noting that these so called "bloodless surgery" centers are often staffed and managed by active jehovah's witnesses.

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  A Jehovah's Witness mother was rejected for accepting blood to save her life. This is the so called "pastoral care" given by Watchtower leaders when a member violates official policy. While the exact circumstances surrounding this particular case are not known, its bears noting that these so called "Bloodless Surgery" centers are often staffed and managed by active Jehovah's Witnesses. If this was the case, and said members turned her in to the elders, they would have violated her medical confidentiality. The article is in Italian, and a slightly enhanced Google translation to English follows:
  

  Jehovah's Witness accepts a blood transfusion: She was nearing death. Rejected by the community: They took my daughters. Grazia has chosen life, but this has cost her the affection of her daughters. Grazia Di Nicola was a Jehovah's Witness who chose to get away from the community after the harassment received for undergoing a transfusion, prohibited by their beliefs, in order to survive after surgery. The woman is a 48-year-old housewife, mother of four, lives in Colliano, a village in the province of Salerno. Her belief, however, almost caused her to die. After an intervention was necessary with transfusion, and she agreed not to die. An unpardonable sin for her church, so much so that Grace found herself humiliated by her "cult brothers". It was she who introduced the religion into her home, even against the initial resistance of her husband, convincing everyone (husband and then children) to attend meetings, convinced that that belief was the only possibility of salvation. When fighting against a tumor in 2016, she choose a clinic that guaranteed she woul not be transfused, but she lost a lot of blood, and the transfusion became necessary for survival. Grazia choose to live, but her choice was not forgiven by the elders, and her three daughters then repudiated her. Today the woman is living a real drama. After undergoing numerous humiliations to be re-admitted to the community after the transfusion, she decided to leave, but in this way she lost her daughters who no longer recognize her as their mother, and accuse her of having betrayed Jehovah. The daughters, except the male son who remained close to her, as FanPage also reports, live in the home of an old man and do not seem to want to regain a dialogue with the woman who is desperate not only because of the distance from the girls, but because she fears for their safety within the sect. https://www.leggo.it/italia/cronache/testimone_di_geova_trasfusione_sangue_grazia_di_nicola-3812660.html
  
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  Cults in our Midst

  by Lee Elder in

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  this is related to a comment i made in a previous thread.

  cults exist in many diverse parts of society.

  this includes politics.

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  @Whynot - Agree 100%. Trumpism has green lighted the worst in many of his supporters.
  
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  Cults in our Midst

  by Lee Elder in

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  this is related to a comment i made in a previous thread.

  cults exist in many diverse parts of society.

  this includes politics.

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  Some of you are so far over the edge, you can't recognize a moderate when you see one. There are a very moderates left in the Republican party like John McCain, John Kasich, Jeff Flake, and Bob Corker. Most are fleeing because the party is being taken over my right wing extremists who don't have a clue what it means to be a fiscal conservative.

  When you see someone like Steve Schmidt, a longtime Republican strategist and adviser to Bush and McCain renounce his membership calling the party "corrupt, indecent and immoral", there is a very serious problem in my view.

  Incidentally, I have many Republican friends. My next door neighbor is one of my closest friends and is Republican. We are fiscally conservative, and socially liberal. We also enjoy Scotch! We're both quite concerned about what is happening. Oh, and he voted for Trump, but now regrets it, though he would not have voted for Hillary.

  There is a level of dysfunction with Trump and his administration that is unprecedented, and rivals the Cretans on the Governing Body of JW's.

  https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/gop-strategist-this-is-the-most-shambolic-administration-in-u-s-history-1223391299745

  Good article in the NY Times on Steve Schmidt:

  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/party-of-trump-steve-schmidt.html
  
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  Cults in our Midst

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is related to a comment i made in a previous thread.

  cults exist in many diverse parts of society.

  this includes politics.

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  I am a non-partisan independent. Yes, there is cultish behavior in both parties, but there is something unique here in my view, and that of many cult experts. There is a little room for moderates in the Democratic party, and almost no room for moderates in the Republican party. This relates to Gerrymandering in my view, and leaves the large majority of Americans without acceptable political options. It also fuels the inability to reach bipartisan solutions to serious problems, and exacerbates extreme partisan behavior. In some ways this is taxation without representation for middle America. Not dissimilar from life in the Watchtower where the Governing Body fails to reflect the views and needs of most members who have few acceptable choices. I have spent lots of time with ex-JWs. Many are very damaged, given to new sets of extreme views on a wide range of topics including politics, religion, healthcare, etc. In many cases, they have exchanged one set of extreme views and beliefs for another.